What to Believe, Elon Musk's Promises or Tesla's Terrible Results for Q1?

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Even the perennially bullish crowd of analysts covering Tesla warned of sorely disappointing results in Q1, a view signaled by the poor deliveries for the quarter reported in early April.But the ...

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Reglloyd
04-25
Reglloyd
I love a good story , as long as it's presented quickly as there is so much noise....much to research about Tesla, it's AI play and its ecosystem. It's a brilliant story & I for one believe in it....& nothing prevents anyone from seeing it too, if they just open their own eyes for a moment rather than being swayed this early in the game... yes it's a game of 4D chess, we ain't playing checkers !!!! Hint, start looking at the AI play , nothing else. Brilliant story if you ask me. Happy Investing Tiger Traders.
WealthBuilder
04-23
WealthBuilder
Empty promises all the time
Tansri
04-23
Tansri
Felt the entire article being splashed with vinegar. So sour.
JediGingerNinja
04-23
JediGingerNinja
Is the smear campaign over? That will determine near future stock price
Guavaxf30
04-23
Guavaxf30
Same old same old. Story telling to improve confidence.

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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","kind":"highlight","is_publish_news":true,"is_publish_highlight":true,"is_publish_live":false,"is_publish_wemedia":null,"editions":null,"column":"","sentiment":"-1","news_tag":"","news_rank":0,"symbols":[],"gpt_button":0,"need_auth":false,"code":"91000000","status":"200"},"commentList":[{"id":427994543465000,"gmtCreate":1745511515407,"gmtModify":1745511573973,"author":{"id":"4189136748353782","authorId":"4189136748353782","name":"Reglloyd","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/71917acef5ce8717b38e7f29252bca57","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4189136748353782","idStr":"4189136748353782"},"htmlText":"I love a good story , as long as it's presented quickly as there is so much noise....much to research about Tesla, it's AI play and its ecosystem. It's a brilliant story &amp; I for one believe in it....&amp; nothing prevents anyone from seeing it too, if they just open their own eyes for a moment rather than being swayed this early in the game... yes it's a game of 4D chess, we ain't playing checkers !!!! Hint, start looking at the AI play , nothing else. Brilliant story if you ask me. Happy Investing Tiger Traders.","listText":"I love a good story , as long as it's presented quickly as there is so much noise....much to research about Tesla, it's AI play and its ecosystem. It's a brilliant story &amp; I for one believe in it....&amp; nothing prevents anyone from seeing it too, if they just open their own eyes for a moment rather than being swayed this early in the game... yes it's a game of 4D chess, we ain't playing checkers !!!! Hint, start looking at the AI play , nothing else. Brilliant story if you ask me. Happy Investing Tiger Traders.","text":"I love a good story , as long as it's presented quickly as there is so much noise....much to research about Tesla, it's AI play and its ecosystem. It's a brilliant story & I for one believe in it....& nothing prevents anyone from seeing it too, if they just open their own eyes for a moment rather than being swayed this early in the game... yes it's a game of 4D chess, we ain't playing checkers !!!! Hint, start looking at the AI play , nothing else. Brilliant story if you ask me. 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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1,"TSLL":1}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":427552338321440,"gmtCreate":1745403346983,"gmtModify":1745403350021,"author":{"id":"4171803256903022","authorId":"4171803256903022","name":"WealthBuilder","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c38f4668f8134a2f2f17efffb35d19b4","vip":1,"crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4171803256903022","idStr":"4171803256903022"},"htmlText":"Empty promises all the time","listText":"Empty promises all the time","text":"Empty promises all the time","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/427552338321440","repostId":2529595240,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2529595240","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1745375794,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2529595240?lang=en_US&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-04-23 10:36","market":"us","language":"en","title":"What to Believe, Elon Musk's Promises or Tesla's Terrible Results for Q1?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2529595240","media":"Fortune","summary":"Even the perennially bullish crowd of analysts covering Tesla warned of sorely disappointing results in Q1, a view signaled by the poor deliveries for the quarter reported in early April.But the numbers released after the market close on April 22 were much, much worse than expected. 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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1,"TSLL":1}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":427489433584376,"gmtCreate":1745387712456,"gmtModify":1745387716314,"author":{"id":"3577406038476249","authorId":"3577406038476249","name":"Tansri","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/281e15019b751acf6992d8219736b9dd","vip":1,"crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"authorIdStr":"3577406038476249","idStr":"3577406038476249"},"htmlText":"Felt the entire article being splashed with vinegar. So sour.&nbsp;","listText":"Felt the entire article being splashed with vinegar. So sour.&nbsp;","text":"Felt the entire article being splashed with vinegar. So sour.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/427489433584376","repostId":2529595240,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2529595240","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1745375794,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2529595240?lang=en_US&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-04-23 10:36","market":"us","language":"en","title":"What to Believe, Elon Musk's Promises or Tesla's Terrible Results for Q1?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2529595240","media":"Fortune","summary":"Even the perennially bullish crowd of analysts covering Tesla warned of sorely disappointing results in Q1, a view signaled by the poor deliveries for the quarter reported in early April.But the numbers released after the market close on April 22 were much, much worse than expected. Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also doub","content":"<div>\n<p>Even the perennially bullish crowd of analysts covering Tesla warned of sorely disappointing results in Q1, a view signaled by the poor deliveries for the quarter reported in early April.But the ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/car-wreck-believe-elon-musk-222718473.html\">Source Link</a>\n\n</div>\n","source":"yahoofinance_sg","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>What to Believe, Elon Musk's Promises or Tesla's Terrible Results for Q1?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1,"TSLL":1}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":427460607144456,"gmtCreate":1745381041079,"gmtModify":1745381044679,"author":{"id":"4126558027897282","authorId":"4126558027897282","name":"JediGingerNinja","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9fec3f291b238bacf1a948fd098d3042","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4c5ceab71416b120bab4604c0754b52a","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4126558027897282","idStr":"4126558027897282"},"htmlText":"Is the smear campaign over? That will determine near future stock price","listText":"Is the smear campaign over? That will determine near future stock price","text":"Is the smear campaign over? That will determine near future stock price","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/427460607144456","repostId":2529595240,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2529595240","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1745375794,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2529595240?lang=en_US&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-04-23 10:36","market":"us","language":"en","title":"What to Believe, Elon Musk's Promises or Tesla's Terrible Results for Q1?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2529595240","media":"Fortune","summary":"Even the perennially bullish crowd of analysts covering Tesla warned of sorely disappointing results in Q1, a view signaled by the poor deliveries for the quarter reported in early April.But the numbers released after the market close on April 22 were much, much worse than expected. Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. 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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1,"TSLL":1}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":427460788187560,"gmtCreate":1745380897619,"gmtModify":1745380901830,"author":{"id":"3576140222331577","authorId":"3576140222331577","name":"Guavaxf30","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1ff15ff6aa254c9130f9af922f7e2447","vip":1,"crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"authorIdStr":"3576140222331577","idStr":"3576140222331577"},"htmlText":"Same old same old. Story telling to improve confidence.&nbsp;","listText":"Same old same old. Story telling to improve confidence.&nbsp;","text":"Same old same old. 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Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. 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Automotive sales tumbled 20% over the same period last year to $14 billion. Despite a strong 12-month gain in its industrial and residential battery storage franchise, overall revenues plunged 9%. Falling sales hammered profitability, sending net income down nearly 40% to a piddling $409 million, far below the over $600 million forecast by Wall Street.Following the bad, but not nearly as bad Q4 report, this writer introduced a new concept for measuring Tesla’s repeatable, bedrock earnings generated by its current businesses—almost exclusively comprising cars and batteries, plus a small services unit. To get there, I eliminated such one-time gains as a big tax benefit in the final quarter of 2023, and a noncash profit on the $600 million write-up of its Bitcoin holdings in Q4. I also eliminated earnings from the sale of regulatory credits to competing carmakers, a benefit that Musk himself says will prove ephemeral. What we’ll call hardcore profits show just how much of Tesla’s gigantic—currently $812 billion—market cap is justified by what it’s doing now, though its present business is declining, and how much owes to Musk’s promises for full self-driving vehicles and software and robotaxis. So far, those assurances have proved a constantly receding horizon.In the past quarter, Tesla lost money on ‘hardcore’ businessesTo get to that number, I started with net earnings of $409 million, and subtracted its after-tax profit from the sale of regulatory credits. That figure is $433 million, and accounts for over 100% of Tesla’s total profits. For the past four quarters, Tesla has posted a “hardcore,” hopefully “repeatable” number of $3.5 billion. Hence, it’s now selling at an adjusted P/E of over 230 (the $812 billion valuation divided by my profit number of $3.5 billion). By the way, at its peak in 2022, Tesla’s “hardcore number” for the year was almost $12 billion, over three times what it achieved in the past 12 months. Let’s give the car-battery business a P/E of 20, twice the global industry average, just to be generous. That puts the worth of its currently up-and-running operations at $70 billion. The entire difference of $742 billion is essentially a blind vote of confidence that Musk will deliver years of earnings growth from here seldom witnessed in the annals of capitalism and never achieved by a player of Tesla’s age and size.If you want a 10% return from here, Tesla’s stock price would need to double from today’s $235 to $470 in seven years. Of course, Musk’s machine got there just a couple of months ago. But the future looks a lot dimmer now than it did in the heady days following Trump’s election. Hitting the worth means Tesla’s market cap must also double, to over $1.6 trillion. At a, once again, generous forecast of a 30 P/E, the net earnings required are well over $50 billion. Cars won’t do it. Tesla would need to earn half of what Apple generates now on franchises that today remain in the realm of gauzy assurances.It looks like Musk once again is fogging investors’ mindsThe Tesla Q1 press release blamed the miserable performance on “uncertainty in the automotive and energy markets [that] continues to increase as rapidly evolving trade policy adversely impacts global supply chain and cost structure of Tesla and our peers.” In other words, Tesla is blaming Musk’s boss in the White House. But in the minds of Tesla fans, Musk once again saved the day. The Q1 statement announced the EV giant would indeed launch the long-awaited, affordable, apparently all-new Model Y by mid-2025, and would introduce a fleet of robotaxis in its hometown of Austin in 2026.The market is cheering, at least for now. In after-hours trading on April 22, Tesla gained 3.5% following a 4.6% jump during the day. In the movie musical The Music Man, slick salesman Harold Hill charmed the good townspeople of mythical River City into paying up for carloads of trombones and clarinets that were always just about to arrive. Hill’s wordplay instilled visions of a great marching band that intoxicated his audience.The Music Man’s got nothing on Elon Musk.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1,"TSLL":1}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"}],"isCommentEnd":false,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":11,"commentSize":5,"repostSize":5,"favoriteSize":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false},"APP":{"userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com)","isDev":false,"isTTM":true,"deviceId":"web-server-community-laohu8-v3","version":"4.35.11","shortVersion":"4.35.11","platform":"web","vendor":"web","appName":"ttm","isIOS":false,"isAndroid":false,"isTiger":false,"isTHS":false,"isWeiXin":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"isWeiBo":false,"isQQ":false,"isBaiduSwan":false,"isBaiduBox":false,"isDingTalk":false,"isToutiao":false,"isOnePlus":false,"isHuaWei":false,"isXiaomi":false,"isXiaomiWebView":false,"isOppo":false,"isVivo":false,"isSamsung":false,"isMobile":false},"href":"/m/news/2529595240","isCrawlerRequest":true}