The Fed Minutes Point to Another Increase. Why Did Long Yields Not Wait?

The indices: all three fell back from record closes, and the Dow lost 0.66 per cent

The three indices moved back from the previous day's record closes on Wednesday: the $Dow Jones(.DJI)$ Average fell 0.66 per cent to 51,179.90, the largest decline; the $S&P 500(.SPX)$ fell 0.22 per cent to 7,801.77; and the $NASDAQ(.IXIC)$ Composite fell 0.22 per cent to 27,538.69. The pressure came from the bond market: the 10-year Treasury yield reached 5.36 per cent at its intraday peak and closed at 5.28 per cent, while the 30-year touched 5.73 per cent and closed at 5.66 per cent.

Minutes from the Federal Reserve's September meeting, released the same day, showed the 25 basis point rise was unanimous, with most officials expecting one more increase this year, though the minutes did not say at which meeting. Two paths follow. Should that increase land while long yields stop pushing higher, what presses on valuations is still the policy rate itself and the Fed's pace is the thing to track. Should long yields keep climbing without hike expectations rising further, what drives them sits with public finances and with supply and demand, and the Fed's hand matters little. The thing to watch is whether the 10-year falls back below 5.2 per cent.

Storage: Samsung's profit rose almost ninefold, and that came after the US close

Sequencing first: Samsung Electronics published preliminary third-quarter results after the US close on Wednesday, so those figures were not in Wednesday's storage moves. What Wednesday's close showed was a split: $Micron Technology(MU)$ rose 4.06 per cent to US$1,088.00 and $SanDisk Corp.(SNDK)$ 1.92 per cent to US$1,692.42; $SK hynix(SKHY)$ fell 2.36 per cent to US$178.25 and $Western Digital(WDC)$ 1.37 per cent to US$405.42.

In that preliminary release, Samsung's operating profit was about 107.4 trillion won, up 782.5 per cent from a year earlier, on sales of about 195 trillion won — the first time its quarterly operating profit has passed 100 trillion won; full results with segment detail come in late October. Two paths follow. Should the full accounts confirm both higher volumes and higher prices in memory, this round of price increases is not just an expectation but something already landed on the income statement. Should the jump rest mainly on prices while output cannot be expanded, the figure itself says where in the cycle we are. The thing to watch is how the full results break down memory prices and shipments.

Private credit: three companies borrowing at once to buy chips, drawing on the same pool

The Wall Street Journal reported that Broadcom, $Oracle(ORCL)$ and $SpaceX(SPCX)$ are pushing large debt financings at the same time, all of it pointed at buying AI hardware, and that this round is drawing on private credit rather than the public bond market. At Wednesday's close, $Broadcom(AVGO)$ rose 0.19 per cent to US$376.51 and $SpaceX(SPCX)$ fell 2.51 per cent to US$167.60. The specific sums and terms were not disclosed in the reports.

The structure is worth spelling out: private credit means the money lent to these companies comes from non-bank institutions rather than deposits. That money has to be repaid out of these companies' operating cash flow, and if it cannot be, the institutions that put up the money take the loss. The assets behind the debt are chips, and chips depreciate. Two paths follow. Should issuance documents land with sums and uses of proceeds written into them, these are clearly defined investments in compute. Should they stay at the reporting stage, what the market is pricing is still a piece of news. The thing to watch is whether formal issuance arrangements appear.

Nebius: the chief operating officer sold while the multiple sits near 197 times

$NEBIUS(NBIS)$ fell 5.09 per cent to US$237.15. The pressure came from insider selling, with reports saying the company's chief operating officer cut his stake, against a current earnings multiple near 197 times.

One executive selling stock does not change the business itself, and the company had risen the day before on an inference order; but at a multiple near 197 times, any insider sale gets magnified, and the person selling is among those closest to day-to-day operations. Two paths follow. Should revenue land fast enough over the next few quarters to meet the valuation, this sale was one personal arrangement. Should delivery start falling behind expectations, the move gets read again. The thing to watch is its revenue recognition next quarter.

Banks: the pressure from rising yields landed on the banks this time

The force that dragged the indices down on Wednesday showed up most clearly in the banks: just before the large US banks report third-quarter results, investors are worried that rising yields will hit their bond holdings while the path for rates stays unclear. Two Singapore names fell further, both listed on the Singapore Exchange and quoted in Singapore dollars: $OCBC Bank(O39.SI)$ was at S$29.27, down 3.40 per cent, and $DBS(D05.SI)$ at S$75.55, down 2.50 per cent. Those two figures are quotes from the Singapore session that opened after the US close, not closing prices.

Higher yields cut both ways for a bank: newly issued loans earn more, but the market value of bonds already held falls, and funding costs rise with them. Two paths follow. Should a bank's third-quarter report show a wider net interest margin with manageable unrealised losses on its bond book, half of this worry is settled. Should both the losses and funding costs expand, the worry stays until the reporting season is through. The thing to watch is net interest margin and bond holdings in the large US banks' third-quarter results.

This is personal analysis and not investment advice.

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  • Lanceljx
    ·10:56
    I think the bigger force at the long end is the term premium rather than just expectations for another Fed hike.

    Persistent fiscal deficits and heavy Treasury issuance mean investors need to absorb more duration, while inflation uncertainty makes them demand higher compensation for holding 10Y and 30Y bonds. That can push long yields higher even if the Fed eventually pauses.

    So I am watching Treasury supply, auction demand and the term premium closely. If those pressures persist, a Fed pause may bring limited relief to long yields, keeping valuation pressure on equities, especially long-duration growth stocks.

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  • While the short end is anchored by the Fed funds target rate path, the long end is driven by debt supply, structural growth/inflation expectations & term premium demand. Long yields rising on hawkish Fed minutes reflects a market pricing in a higher neutral rate environment, persistent long-term borrowing demand, and the heavy fiscal burden of Treasury supply.
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  • D1ane
    ·02:43
    I think it’s more than the Fed. Heavy Treasury supply, rising term premium and renewed inflation concerns are pushing the long end higher. The key question is whether 5%+ yields become the new normal.
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  • Theme
    ·10-08 22:43
    All thanks to Citibank… that sudden pullback is an opportunity to accumulate additional shares! Surely funds managers is working with Citi analyst for this golden move. You sell they buy. So, some fools sell some fools buy!
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  • 吉3186
    ·10-08 20:11
    我个人会比较关注长期美债收益率,而不只是美联储今年还会不会加息。
    短期看,降息/加息预期会影响市场;但如果10年期、30年期收益率持续在高位,我觉得背后更可能是财政赤字、发债供应和市场对长期通胀的要求。这会直接压估值,尤其是高估值的AI、科技股。
    另外三星这次利润暴增说明内存需求确实很强,但我不会因为利润大增就马上追MU、SNDK、SKHY。现在更重要的是看:价格上涨能不能继续、出货量有没有跟上,以及高利润会不会刺激更多产能。
    所以我的做法还是:不追高、分批买,重点看10年期收益率能不能回到5.2%以下,以及企业利润能不能真正跟上估值。
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  • Jerry Lam
    ·10-08 19:29
    我觉得这轮长端收益率继续走高,真正值得关注的已经不是“美联储还会不会再加一次”,而是市场正在重新给长期资金定价。
    如果加息预期没有明显继续升温,但10年、30年收益率仍然往上走,那背后更可能是三股力量:
    财政融资需求、美债供给增加,以及期限溢价上升。
    再加上现在AI基础设施进入重资本阶段,数据中心、芯片、电力项目都在大量吸收资金,政府和企业其实在争夺同一批长期资本。投资者要承担更长久期、更高通胀和更大供给的不确定性,自然会要求更高收益率。
    所以我现在最关注的不是某一次加息,而是:
    如果加息概率下降以后,10年期还能不能回到5.2%以下。
    如果回不去,说明问题已经不完全在美联储,而在更结构性的 财政赤字、债券供给和期限溢价。
    这也解释了为什么银行现在值得盯紧。高利率并不天然利好银行,如果融资成本、债券浮亏和信用成本一起上升,净息差改善未必能覆盖全部压力。
    一句话:短端利率主要由美联储决定,长端利率越来越由“市场愿意用什么价格接下这些债”决定。
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  • Vady
    ·10-08 20:53

    Great article, would you like to share it?

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