How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming?

For most investors, the biggest question during a market downturn is when to bottom-fish. Buy too early, and your nerves can’t handle it; buy too late, and you miss the bottom. Either way, you end up making no money. The declines so far don’t seem to match the levels seen in April. How do you judge if a full-blown market crash has really arrived? What indicators help you pick the bottom?

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12-14 21:58

(Full Article) Preview of the week (15Dec25) - What will FedEx say about the market?

Economic Calendar: Key Market Movers (week of 15Dec25) Labour Market and Federal Reserve Indicators These reports are critical inputs for the Federal Reserve’s interest rate decisions. The highly anticipated Non-Farm Payroll figures for November will be released. The previous reading was 119,000 jobs added. The Unemployment Rate for November is also due, with the previous forecast standing at 4.4%. Average Hourly Earnings for November will be published, which serves as a key indicator of wage inflation. The previous month-over-month increase was 0.2%. The latest Initial Jobless Claims data will be reported; the previous level was 236,000. Inflation Measures Inflation data is the most closely watched category, as unexpected increases can cause significant market volatility and disrupt the F
(Full Article) Preview of the week (15Dec25) - What will FedEx say about the market?
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12-14 22:06

(Part 4 of 5) - Market news and my thoughts (15Dec25)

News and my thoughts from the past week (15Dec25) McDonald’s removed its AI-generated Christmas commercial after it went viral for being terrible. - X user HedgieMarket. Not every AI product is good and tasteful. I think it’s part of what I call the AI Dunning-Kruger effect. The people excited to use AI aren’t equipped to judge its outputs. Those who are equipped tend not to use it. - X user David V Stewart. EVERY TIME JAPAN HIKES RATES, BITCOIN DUMPS 20–25%. NEXT WEEK, THEY WILL HIKE RATES TO 75 BPS AGAIN. IF THE PATTERN HOLDS, $BTC WILL DUMP BELOW $70,000 ON DECEMBER 19. POSITION ACCORDINGLY. - X user OxNobler. Crypto whale ‘James Wynn’ says a major crash is coming and longs will be “annihilated.” - X user Bitcoin Junkies We have been informed about earthquakes, famines,
(Part 4 of 5) - Market news and my thoughts (15Dec25)
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12-14 22:08

(Part 5 of 5) My investing muse (15Dec25) - layoffs, debts & deficits

My Investing Muse (15Dec25) Layoffs, Bankruptcy & Closure news The number of company insolvencies in Germany are set to reach 23,900 in 2025, the most in 11 YEARS, according to credit agency Creditreform. This would mark the 5th consecutive annual increase. German economy is struggling. - X user Global Markets Investor Wells Fargo LAYOFFS! They finally said AI isn’t ‘efficiency’... it’s headcount reduction. A pattern is forming you guys!!!! “We’re going to have lower headcount in the future.” CEO, Charlie Scharf. This is after shrinking from 275,000 down to 210,000 employees since 2019… and now they’re warning the next round is coming this quarter. - X user Amanda Goodall We’ve now knocked 9,500 truck drivers out of service for failing to speak our national language — ENGLISH! - Secret
(Part 5 of 5) My investing muse (15Dec25) - layoffs, debts & deficits
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12-14 22:00

(Part 1 of 5) - Economic Calendar (15Dec25) - PCE, CPI, Global PMI hits the news

Economic Calendar: Key Market Movers (week of 15Dec25) Labour Market and Federal Reserve Indicators These reports are critical inputs for the Federal Reserve’s interest rate decisions. The highly anticipated Non-Farm Payroll figures for November will be released. The previous reading was 119,000 jobs added. The Unemployment Rate for November is also due, with the previous forecast standing at 4.4%. Average Hourly Earnings for November will be published, which serves as a key indicator of wage inflation. The previous month-over-month increase was 0.2%. The latest Initial Jobless Claims data will be reported; the previous level was 236,000. Inflation Measures Inflation data is the most closely watched category, as unexpected increases ca
(Part 1 of 5) - Economic Calendar (15Dec25) - PCE, CPI, Global PMI hits the news
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12-07

(Part 5 of 5) my investing muse - layoffs, closures, AI, Data Centre (08Dec25)

My Investing Muse (08Dec25) Layoffs, Bankruptcy & Closure news Image US nonfarm employment fell by 9,000 in November, marking the 2nd consecutive monthly decline, according to Revelio. The firm compiles data from company career pages, such as LinkedIn and Indeed, and staffing agencies. This comes as private employment dropped 19,400 while the government added +10,400 jobs. Furthermore, October’s decline was revised sharply lower, by 6,400 jobs, to 15,500. This brings the total downward revisions to 158,800 over the last 4 months. Nonfarm payrolls have now posted 5 declines over the last 7 months, the worst streak in at least 5 years. Deterioration of the job market is accelerating. - Revelio Denny’s is closing 150 locations in the coming weeks, according to PennLive. - Syracuse US bank
(Part 5 of 5) my investing muse - layoffs, closures, AI, Data Centre (08Dec25)
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12-01

Part 5 of 5 - my investing muse (01Dec25) - layoffs, pivot and data

My Investing Muse (01Dec25) Layoffs, Bankruptcy & Closure news AMAZON LAYOFFS HIT NEARLY 2,000 ENGINEERS - Amazon’s latest round of job cuts has reached deep into its technical ranks, eliminating nearly 2,000 engineering roles and signalling a sharper reset of the company’s ambitions in key growth areas. The reductions, which hit teams working on everything from Alexa to core retail systems, mark one of the most concentrated blows to Amazon’s engineering workforce since its broader downsizing began. - MSN Companies have announced more than 1.1 million layoffs so far this year, a 44% increase from the total number of layoffs in 2024, per YF Approximately 30% of all job postings are fake, per MorePerfectUnion 39,006 Americans got advance layoff warnings in October, the second-highest sin
Part 5 of 5 - my investing muse (01Dec25) - layoffs, pivot and data

[Discussion] How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming?

Some say that a market crash is the best opportunity for ordinary people to make money. Most retail investors have small capital and average trading skills, so they rarely make significant profits in normal markets. But a crash is different — after a major plunge or even a 50% wipeout, going all-in can lead to outsized gains.But how can you tell whether something is truly a market crash? And when should you start bottom-fishing?For most investors, the biggest question during a downturn is when to buy the dip. If you buy too early, the volatility will shred your nerves; buy too late, and you miss the bottom — or hesitate to buy during the rebound. Either way, you end up making nothing.Some say sentiment is the key to judging whether it’s time to bottom-fish and whether the situation qualifi
[Discussion] How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming?
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11-23

Part 4 of 5 - News Summary (24Nov25)

News and my thoughts from the past week (24Nov25) Investors are DUMPING Bitcoin funds at a RECORD pace: Bitcoin ETF $IBIT saw -$523 MILLION in net outflows on Tuesday, the highest EVER. In 5 days, investors withdrew over $1 BILLION from $IBIT. Over the last 3 weeks, crypto funds have seen $3.2 BILLION in net outflows. - X user Global Markets Investor Container import bookings into the US are down 16% YoY as retailers tighten up inventories - X user Craig Fuller Why are stocks falling? Because if you take the numbers in this chart seriously, the hyperscalers will hold at least $2.5 trillion in AI assets by the end of this decade. Assuming a depreciation rate of 20%, that would generate $500 billion in annual depreciation expense. This is more than their combined profits for 2025. - X user P
Part 4 of 5 - News Summary (24Nov25)
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11-23

Part 5 of 5 - my investing muse (24Nov25) - layoffs, closures and a bad week

My Investing Muse (24Nov25) Layoffs, Bankruptcy & Closure news Popular crypto company files for Chapter 15 bankruptcy as Bitcoin crashes. The decentralised application (dApp) analytics platform, DappRadar, decided to wind down as running a large organisation has become “financially unsustainable” in the “current environment.” - Yahoo Finance On the jobs front. ATT laid off 30% of its workforce last week which is huge even by their standards. I’ve been watching for it to pop up in the news, but haven’t seen anything? 3M also laid off last week with more to come. Roche laid off 50% in some divisions. AbbVie as well. - X user Chey Cab Verizon says it will cut 13,000 jobs - X user Unusual Whales Tyson Foods is closing a major beef plant in Lexington, Nebraska with 3,200 employees in Januar
Part 5 of 5 - my investing muse (24Nov25) - layoffs, closures and a bad week
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12-01

Part 1 of 5 - Economic Calendar for the coming week (01Dec2025) - PMI, PCE & Jobs

Economic Calendar: Key Market Movers (week of 01Dec25) 📰 Upcoming Economic Data and Market Highlights Here is a breakdown of the key economic releases and events scheduled for the coming week, sorted by relevant topic. Manufacturing Sector Indicators 🏭 The following Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) data will provide insight into the health of the global and domestic manufacturing sectors. A reading above 50.0 indicates expansion, while a reading below 50.0 indicates contraction. China Manufacturing PMI (November): Previous: 49.0 (Implied contraction). Significance: China’s data is a crucial barometer for global consumption trends, given its role as a major global producer. Chicago PMI (December): Previous: 43.8 (Indicated contraction in the Chic
Part 1 of 5 - Economic Calendar for the coming week (01Dec2025) - PMI, PCE & Jobs
$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$   The Art of Catching a Falling Knife: How to Navigate Market Bottoms Without Getting Cut "Buy low, sell high." It is the oldest cliché in finance, yet as the text in the image perfectly captures, it is also the most psychologically excruciating task an investor faces. The dilemma is paralyzed by two extremes: The Early Bird: You buy the first dip, thinking it’s a discount, only to watch the market plummet another 15%. Your nerves shatter, and you panic-sell at a loss. The Hesitant Observer: You wait for "perfect clarity." By the time the dust settles and the news looks good again, the market has already rallied 20% from the lows. You missed it. So, how do we find the middle ground? How do we judge if a correction is tur
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11-26

How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming?

Some days the market moves with the grace of a swan; other days it throws itself down the stairs like a toddler in a tantrum. And somewhere between elegance and chaos, people start whispering the same question: Is this it? Is the sky finally falling? It’s always funny how a downturn begins so quietly. A little red here, a wobble there—nothing dramatic, nothing operatic. Just a shrug from the universe. Everyone pretends they can see the signs of the great collapse approaching, but honestly, markets give off signals the way cats do: mysteriously, contradictorily, and with an air of smug superiority. One indicator screams doom, another hums a lullaby, and the third starts breakdancing for no apparent reason. By the time you add them together, you’ve got nothing but a headache. Meanwhile, the
How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming?
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11-22
$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$  “How Do You Tell When a Market Armageddon Is Coming? And More Importantly… When Do You Dare to Bottom-Fish? 🫣🔥” Most investors don’t fear volatility. They fear being wrong at the worst possible time. Buy too early → you suffer while everyone else panics. 😵‍💫 Buy too late → the market bottoms without you. 😭 Either way, you’re left wondering if the market is trolling you personally. This year’s declines — sharp as they are — still don’t look like the kind of full-scale collapse we saw in April. No capitulation, no screams, no charts showing waterfalls yet. So the real question is: 💥 How do you tell when a REAL market crash is unfolding — not just a normal correction? Here are the classic “Armageddon Signals” the pros watc
$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$ Here is a structured way to judge whether a real market crash has arrived and how to identify a potential bottom, grounded in indicators that professional investors watch closely. --- How to judge if a true market crash has begun A full-blown crash usually shows three layers of deterioration happening at the same time: 1. Macro deterioration Rapid tightening of financial conditions. Major shift in central bank tone toward higher-for-longer rates. Credit spreads widening, especially in high-yield. Signs of stress in funding markets or liquidity. When macro and liquidity both weaken, selling becomes broad and persistent, not just sector-specific. 2. Market structure breakdown Indexes break multiple long-term supports (50-day a
avatarkoolgal
11-22

Navigating Market Armageddon: Why Long Term Investor Wins

🌟🌟🌟While not an official financial term, Market Armageddon is a dramatic metaphor used to describe a severe and rapid market crash or prolonged recession.  This is often accompanied by widespread panic and uncertainty.  It paints a picture of catastrophic event but the reality is that market crashes are normal, even though it is a painful part of the economic cycle.  They are always followed by a recovery and a subsequent expansion. What to do during market turmoil? The key is to focus on what you can control and maintain a long term perspective.  Instead of making emotional decisions based on fear, you should stick to a disciplined, long term strategy.  Here are some steps you can take : Avoid panic selling.  Selling during a market crash turns paper losses i
Navigating Market Armageddon: Why Long Term Investor Wins
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11-22
🌟🌟🌟When the fear index screams "extreme fear", the mind races.  We feel the gut wrenching prospect of another April repeat where the downside could be much worse. While our fear is valid, history - that relentless teacher whispers a different story.  It reminds us that the markets always go up in the long run. Our goal isn't to perfectly time the market armaggedon or to pinpoint the absolute bottom.  The futility of that task would shred anyone's nerves. Buying too early feels like a gut punch. Buying too late means missing the  opportunity. The good news? We don't have to choose. Wisdom lies not in the timing but in the process. Our mission is to focus on what we can control - our emotions & our actions. This is where the quiet, consistent power of dollar cost ave
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11-29
From BarChart: Going back to 1926, the S&P 500 has seen an average drawdown of 18.2% in the 12 months before midterm elections 📉 Going back 60 years, the smallest drawdown has been 7.4% while the largest was 41.8% 🤯 Will history repeat itself again? $Vanguard S&P 500 ETF(VOO)$   $Cboe Volatility Index(VIX)$  
avatarShyon
11-22
When markets fall sharply, many say it’s the best time for ordinary investors to build wealth, but it’s hard to tell whether the drop is a true crash or just a correction. Sentiment helps, but it’s not precise — fear is high now at 7, yet in April it hit 4 and the market still sank further. With the NASDAQ only down about 8% and still positive for the year, this doesn’t look like a real crash. I also watch the mood in stock groups. Early in a decline, people still rant and blame CEOs. The real bottom often appears when everyone goes quiet — when losses are deep and no one has energy to complain. That kind of silence is a stronger signal than any index, and we’re not there yet. So at this point, I don’t think this is a true crash. The drop is sharp but lacks clear signs of capitulation. To
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11-23
$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$  I used to panic sell the moment the charts turned red. I thought I was being smart. I thought I was "dodging a bullet." ​But I was actually shooting myself in the foot. 🩹 ​The worst feeling in investing isn't seeing your portfolio down 10%. It’s watching a stock you loved rocket to the moon 🚀... without you on board. ​That emptiness? That’s the real cost of fear. ​I realized that nobody—absolutely nobody—knows when the storm will end. So I stopped trying to predict the weather and started building a stronger boat. ​Volatility isn't the enemy. It’s the "admission fee" we pay for financial freedom. 🎟️ ​As long as you don't get wiped out, you are already winning. Just stay on the boat.
When $Cboe Volatility Index(VIX)$   is super high and cleared previous swing highs  When everyone is bearish and dooms day sayers are out in full force. When the $S&P 500(.SPX)$  or $NASDAQ(.IXIC)$  reach a major support and closed with bullish candle in subsequent sessions. When most companies are reporting strong earnings, showing growth and the indices drop to a strong support, indicating that all these doesn't really make sense. When fundamentally strong companies are already at the low end of analysts targets price, so institutional accumulation is very likely tak